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2:55PM Wednesday 03 December, 2008
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Blog Central: Mark My Words Mark, editor-in-chief of the Sunshine Coast Daily, has been a journalist on the Coast for 20 years and is passionate about fighting for a better deal for the region. When he's not at work, he loves nothing more than spending time with his wife Julie and three kids.

Coast voters face tough choice

March 4 | Mark Furler

It’s been one of the great shames of mayoral contests on the Sunshine Coast that you lose some of your most experienced councillors in the battle.

In past years, high-profile contenders have included deputy mayors, town planning chairs and leading business people – each of whom would make excellent candidates for mayor.

At this election, in two weeks’ time, the Coast will lose one of its two most passionate figures in local government – either Maroochy mayor Joe Natoli or Noosa mayor Bob Abbot.

While critics are quick to target Natoli as a pro-development councillor who is more equated with high-rise than the environment, listening to him at a breakfast meeting on the weekend I realised there are so many more dimensions to the former fruit and vegetable shop owner who took on the likes of Lend Lease in the battle for small business.

Natoli, like Noosa mayor Bob Abbot, has a fire in his belly about helping young people on the Sunshine Coast – as did retired Caloundra mayor Don Aldous.

He spoke at length about how he would love to see programs in place for businessmen and role models from Coast churches to help mentor wayward youth.

I saw firsthand, as we toured Schoolies together last year, that Joe is serious about youth issues on the Coast and is keen to bring local, state and federal governments together with community groups to find solutions to problems like binge drinking and hooning in our streets.

Certainly, during his time as a councillor in Mooloolaba, he put a lot of runs on the board with his support for the safety program led by ranger Pat Quinn.

Bob Abbot is also no stranger to young people in Noosa Shire.

For years, he’s been the driving force behind the establishment of a youth centre in the shire – and has already got the runs on the board with the establishment of the well-run J centre at Noosa Junction.

While critics of Natoli are keen to paint the difference between the two mayoral contenders as black and white, there are, in fact, a lot of similarities.

Noosa has certainly got a better record on the environment front, but Bob Abbot is no radical greenie.

In many ways, his view on development is similar to Natoli’s.

They both believe in working with developers to try to come up with win-win situations for the community.

While Joe Natoli has certainly come under fire for his support of controversial projects like the Juniper carpark deal in Mooloolaba and Lend Lease’s major development plan for the Hyatt Regency Coolum, the Maroochy mayor believes he has always tried to strike a careful balance between progress and protecting the environment.

Critics will no doubt say he has not gone far enough in protecting the integrity of the council’s own town plan – but I’m not sure if that’s a criticism that should be just levelled at only Natoli or rather the majority of the council.

For his part, Bob Abbot has riled probably just as many greenies in his time in Noosa with his refusal to follow the so-called “Noosa mafia” down the exact path they would have him travel.

Vivien Griffin, who quit the council, forcing a by-election, cited “pro-development” voting as the major reason, claiming Noosa was heading towards a path to “mediocrity”.

I’m not sure if she is saying that so loudly during the current election campaign, given that “Big Bob” is well and truly leading the race for the “Big Job”.

If Bob Abbot does win the election on March 15, some Maroochy voters will no doubt be rejoicing that the figurehead of the old regime is gone.

But given that Joe Natoli has rarely had the numbers in his own council for the past four years, it’s probably a little harsh to blame everything on him.

Indeed, looking over the history of Maroochy for the past few years, you have to wonder whether the mayoral position is almost jinxed.

By all accounts, after helping to establish TAFE and the University of the Sunshine Coast here, Alison Grosse looked like the perfect choice for the region’s first female mayor.

But it didn’t take long for that infamous golf course incident to take her – and Maroochy – on a downward slide toward public derision.

Joe Natoli suffered a similar fate in some ways when he broke his back while taking part in a charity bullride to raise money for the search for missing teenager Daniel Morcombe.

Not only has he not recovered 100% in a physical sense but he also struggled to regain any control he may have once had over his council.

At the end of the day, on March 15, the Coast will lose one of its two most passionate figures in local government – and the region will be poorer for it.

> Your guide to Sunshine Coast council candidates

Recent Comments

on 4 March, 2008 at 6:17 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Mark, I sense a note of sobriety in your comments.

Yes, we are actually going to be losing a large number of passionate and hard working people. Let's not forget Don Aldous while we are talking about the Mayors. We will also be losing many councillors.

In accepting the Amalgamation of our three councils we accepted the basic premise of the amalgamation, which was that "we" didn't think that we needed thirty odd Councillors and three Mayors. "We" only needed about one third of them. Everything after that point has been aimed at trying to get the best 13 for our future needs.

Yes, we are going to be losing some significant contributors. And, after all the hype, March 16 is going to be a bit gut wrenching I think, when the realisation of what has just happened sets in.

I may be criticised as being simplistic, but my take on the two Mayors is that they are both good blokes, both passionate and hard working. Both have had good ideas and vision...but one has managed to put his ideas and vision into effect...the other hasn't - for whatever reason.
on 4 March, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
There seems to bit a theme of Joe courting the religious vote and having close relations with church leaders who double as businessmen. The camels who claim to be able pass through the eye of a needle. Each to their own when it comes to religion, however this is troubling, "He spoke at length about how he would love to see programs in place for businessmen and role models from Coast churches to help mentor wayward youth".

If that means Council money and or resources being used to support churches to access vulnerable youth instead of unbiased secular services there is a problem of principle (separation of church and state) and practicality.

Too often "Christian" support to youth involves attempts to at recruitment and conversion instead of quality support.

Churning and burning of troubled youth through happy clappy churches is a real problem which leaves confused youth who "backside" into greater problems. Sometimes there are success stories but these are few and far between, outweighed by the disasters.

Having said all that there are positive religious role models who do great work, don't judge and don't believe camels can pass through the eyes of needles, an example being Father Bob Maquire.
http://www.fatherbob.com.au/

Separation of church and state is the most reliable path for public money. Natoli's willingness to hand over resources to religious groups is of great concern.

- Sorry but I didn't mention anything about Joe 'handing over resources' to anyone. In fact it is quite the other way - he is talking about tapping into the resources of churches (from all denominations) to help wayward youth - I can hardly see the huge crime in this. And as for your comments about success stories of youth being 'few and far between', I don't know I have been to plenty of churches which are full of young success stories. Would you rather they be at nightclubs? - MF
on 4 March, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
What was that all about ? Politics...religion...kids ? I thought we were reflecting on the election outcomes. Let's keep religion out of it eh.

My attitude could be fairly described as a bit unholier than thou, but I think that I would have to agree with Mark on that one. Somebody needs to be doing something about our wayward kids. At least the church groups are having a go.
on 4 March, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The authority of the Mayoral office is a valuable publicly funded resource that shouldn't be officially endorsing religious recruitment drives.

- Is there any suggestion it will be? - Editor
on 4 March, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Just to change the subject back onto the subject. And while we're calling spades spades.

Many of us have felt from the outset that Maroochy's political and business leaders thought that they were going to come out of the amalgamation unscathed and that they were the annointed beneficiaries. Noosa and Caloundra's unwashed masses would just have to accept all of the losses and pain for the benefit of the Maroochy majority.

Now that there appears to be some prospect that our Maroochy political and business leaders may end up also taking some losses and feeling some of the pain, we are all becoming reflective and misty eyed.

I didn't sense that when Noosa was struggling for survival and being roundly abused as exclusive and elitist snobs. Or when Bob Abbot was being ridiculed simply for doing his job as Noosa Mayor.

I know that you were speaking on behalf of both Mayoral candidates and the fact that one of them will have to go Mark.

And I am speaking generally. But I think that there would be many people on the Coast who feel similarly to me. There are going to be many losers in this process. It is going to hurt.
on 4 March, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
atapro of Noosaville re' your last para, first blog..

Natoli's problem is that too many of us believe that he has 'put his ideas and vision into effect". And most people don't like it. That is why he is so far behind.
I was in Noosa last weekend driving from the Junction to Tewatin via the newly open road at the back. When I move around Noosa I feel as if there is a plan and a vision. Maroochy feels disjointed. In Coolum we are never sure what part of the town plan will be discarded next.

I enjoyed Mark's article. plenty of food for thought. But it is evident that he has had to use what Mayor Natoli says rather than what he has done to 'close the distance' between the candidates.
on 4 March, 2008 at 6:10 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Pescadero: I won't argue with that. Either Joe had some good ideas and wasn't able to implement them, or he had some bad ideas and did implement them. Probably a bit of both.

Regarding your last paragraph. Did you happen to notice Joe's flashing banner ad at the top of this page. It's gone now, but I bet that wasn't cheap. I wonder which page it's on now.
on 6 March, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Jason,

your opinion is your own and I respect that. However, I feel as if your view on churches intention on helping youth is for recruitment is just an ignorant comment made from a distaste of common religion?

Churches are not the Red Army mate, or the SS. IF you took the time to find out just how many churches are involved with helping the community (out of love and concern for its people) you might change your tune.

But dont let your bias and grudge get in the way of that ok?

Same for you atapro.
on 6 March, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
What did I say about religion Dubby? I thought that I was the one disagreeing with Jason and speaking in favour of what the churches were doing.

Based on what I have read from you in these blogs over several weeks, it is you who needs to think about your biases and grudges. You seem to have a fairly consistently poisonous outlook on everything and everyone. Or are you just misunderstood ? Is that your problem ?
on 6 March, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
A typical wasp like response from atapro.

You are the one living on these blogs with enough time to research and justify your stands in life.

I do neither have time or inclanation to argue with you.

"What was that all about ? Politics...religion...kids ? I thought we were reflecting on the election outcomes. Let's keep religion out of it eh." ....is the comment I was referring to.

I have the humility to apologise for I misread the following sentence:

"At least the church groups are having a go."

At least they are having a go, and I again apolgise to atapro for the misunderstanding.
on 6 March, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Dubby. You know that there are only two people in these blogs who ever got that type of response from me, and admittedly you have received a few of them. The other person was Tom Hulett.

I actually don't have the time to spend on these blogs and I don't spend as much as you might think. I normally just say the first thing that comes into my head. That really doesn't take much time and consideration.

I do have some purpose to my Blogging and it probably isn't that hard to work out what that purpose is. You will only have to put up with me for another 8 days. I promise.
on 6 March, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Dubby, to answer your question regarding my view that "churches intention on helping youth is for recruitment". I tried not to tar all religious people with the same brush, hence referring to "The camels who claim to be able pass through the eye of a needle" and added a link to a great Christian doing great work who only the hard of heart could fault, Father Bob Maguire.

Yes through research, experience and observation I have developed a distrust of the motivations of some churches and those who seek to impose their beliefs on others.

These churches maybe populated with good people (most people are good people church goers or not) but they have neither the experience nor the skills to effectively assist wayward youth nor be a good role model as Joe Natoli is proposing.

Ask anyone from a prosperity church what is the best way to help someone and they will uniformly answer, let Jesus into your life, in other words recruitment, it's the only tool some churches have and use.

Once I was asked to help remove a printer cable from the back of a computer, as much as we tried it was stuck fast. The computer was saved from my good intentions and "having a go" with a cold chisel and hammer when a house mate showed us the thumb screws which were holding the cable in place.

Yes at least the church groups are having a go at helping wayward youth, but is it doing any long term good or is it simply a cheap alternative that appeals to some people's prejudice? A feel good bandaide when a few good stitches are required?

We now know that Joe wanted to be a missionary and considers himself to have a missionary motivation, missionaries convert and the Mayoral office is not a place for missionary work.
on 6 March, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Another 8 days? Atapro, your comments will be missed, even if you are politely telling me to shut up.
on 6 March, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think I'll go to bed now. Life is becoming too confusing these days. Maybe it will all be gone tomorrow.

- Cheer up mate - you've had some great entries in the past week or so... sleep well on those - Editor
on 10 March, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Mark I don't know how you can say that Joe getting busted up off a charity stunt is in any way comparable to THAT incident with Alison Grosse???

One was a person hurt doing good, the other was someone caught out big time.

- My point was more that Maroochy seems to have had an unfortunate run of incidents in general - MF
on 17 March, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
If you check the Fairfax press this morning, they are exposing the workings of a Christian church group that has active on the Sunshine Coast "treating" young female with mental disorders with pray and exorcisms. It's front page. One victim spent 3 years in a mental institution recovering from the damage done by church based treatment which was little more than recruitment. Lucky that Natoli was rejected by the voters or how many more youth would be damaged by religious church based quackery.
on 17 March, 2008 at 6:40 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
The investigative story I was referring to, that exposes the cult like activities of Mercy Ministries on the Sunshine Coast an arm of the Hillsong Church. A church that greets parishioners with cash registers at the entrance at their original building in Sydney.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/they...

Hate to say I spot on to question letting Christians near vulnerable youth and to point out that their "help" is in the form of conversion for some of these young women a night club would have been safer.

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