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10:46AM Wednesday 03 December, 2008

Sudden boundary shift to cost residents

Sudden boundary shift to cost residents

Twin Waters residents Michelle and Macy-Sky Ralphs, with puppy Machette, could lose their yard if council enforces a 10-metre fence shift. Photo: Jason Dougherty/177087

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Twin Waters residents must spend thousands of dollars to remove or shift sheds, walls, fences, concrete paths, and possibly pools, from their backyards after a council move to enforce an environmental covenant.

The 10-metre covenant affects the backyards of 25 residents, whose properties back onto Nojoor Road.

The buffer has been in place since the land was developed to protect visual amenity and provide connectivity to a conservation park across the road, but lax compliance is expected to leave 19 residents substantially out of pocket.

Mike Beal, who lives in Sand Lane, said he moved from New Zealand in October last year and his solicitor never pointed him to any covenant.

He said he now realised he had inherited a pool fence and associated concrete which is 30 cm over the boundary.

“The pool is safe, it’s just a fence we would have to move,” he said.

“It has to be done in six weeks. Paying a couple of grand to move a fence seems bureaucratic.”

Regulatory services manager Janelle Parker said council attention was drawn to the area because of complaints about people damaging vegetation there.

She said a council officer, who would liaise with each property owner on a case by case basis, had inspected 25 properties and found only six completely compliant with the covenant.

“When the investigating officer originally went out there, there were things being stored there, brought in through their back fences, such as boats, campers,” she said.

“There’d been vegetation removed and areas being mown but the condition stated in the covenant is for a buffer along there.

“There’s things such as pool fencing and sheds which require building approvals and they don’t even have them.”

Ms Parker said the investigating officer would meet with each owner individually but expected owners who had cleared or built structures would be responsible for correcting the situation.

Michelle Ralphs, also in Sand Lane, said she would lose the backyard where her children played because the covenant intruded 10cm onto the path at the back of their house.

The mum, who has two children and a third on the way, said they had removed trees in the 10-metre covenant area because they were riddled with thistletoe and white ants.

She said council had approved a landscaping plan with native plants which cost several thousand dollars and officers had even told her she “did a good job”.

But Ms Ralphs said council had now told her that decision was incorrect and she would have to comply with the vegetation covenant.

“The swing set, the garden shed and slab under it needs to go, the grass will need to come up and the trees replanted with native vegetation and natural wood chipping,” she said.

“The slab where the pool filter goes, which cost $1000 to install, will need to be moved two foot away from the covenant.

“So basically our entire yard is encroaching on the covenant.

“We knew there was a covenant there but didn’t know it was so strong.

“I want to know if the new council is trying to enforce they mean business or are they really doing this for environmental reasons?

“If they want more trees in to provide more oxygen then I’d rather pay $1000 to have trees planted in a park somewhere so everyone can enjoy them.

“We feel we need to sell because the kids don’t have a backyard, we have an unusable backyard.”

Ms Ralphs said she expected the bill to conform to the covenant would cost up to $10,000, including money spent to alter the yard and plant the trees.

“We bought it as a 600sqm block, we pay rates on that 10 metres and we have to maintain it but we can’t use it,” she said.

Annie Rich said she bought her place on Starfish Way about six months ago so she could accommodate her mother too and had no idea about the covenant.

“I’m pretty angry about it. None of our trees have gone, it’s all the same with gum trees and all the undergrowth,” she said.

“But they said they are concerned about the pool fence. I can’t see the purpose of digging up concrete.

“We’ve got a beautiful house, we love it, but I don’t think we would have bought it if we had known.”

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on 18 July, 2008 at 5:30 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
This is good, hopefully they will then look at the homes along Oceanic on the Kawana/Warana beach stretch. Many houses along here have pushed well back into the native scrub of the dunes ripping out the vegetation and building lawns and gardens for themselves to extend their properties illegally. The people affected in this article should be angry with the solicitors who handled their property sales for not making them aware of the covenants on their properties, not the council staff who are merely upholding the law.
on 18 July, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
to those who knew of the covenent and still built there - shame on you, you are the worst sort of person to be allowed to own a property. You are the sort of people who build sheds and vegie patches in the emepty land along side railway lines. You are like the fool that has been caught with their hands in the till.

to those who claim they didn't know of the covenent - sue your solicitor, they have to by law, advise you of all covenents to your property before you pay anything to the seller. And if they haven't done that they are liable for the cost of removing anything on the covenent area.

and big shame on the real estate agents who supposedly sold properties without advising potential buyers there was a covenent on their property
on 18 July, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Environmental reasons.... garbage.

What sort of Council would allow development of a environmentally sensitive tsunami swamp in the first place.

This is nothing but a local government bully looking to push people around and extort whatever fees it can from them.
on 18 July, 2008 at 9 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I fully agree with ben18318 from Warana, the previous councillors who lived on or near the dunes at Kawana, seemed not to address similar concerns along our dunal vegetation.

No excuses now, Council needs to send in the inspectors ASAP!
on 18 July, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Bristow, the development goes back to a (most unfortunate) court ruling in 1987 (I think it was), overruling the Maroochy Council refusal of the day. So don't blame the Council for allowing the development in the first place.

There was to be a similar buffer (stupidly in my opinion) inside people's back yards right down the western border of Twin Waters. I said at the time it would not work. Lend Lease protested long and loud...A shame that they got away with it elsewhere it the estate.

No sympathy for the owners - it would have been in the conditions of sale - embrace having a bit of bush in your backyard, or don't buy it. So you have to rip your illegal constructions up now? Tough!
on 18 July, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The aspect of this that amazes me is that the council actually appears to be enforcing the rules; my direct personal experience of the old Maroochy Shire Council was that they would go to any length to avoid enforcing codes, local laws and approval conditions, even to the extent of fabricating and misrepresenting evidence to support their lack of action.

It had seemed to me that the old Maroochy Shire standard of operating had come forward into the new council, but perhaps the good influence of the old Noosa council is starting to dominate. If so, well done! Let’s see it keep happening.
on 18 July, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I have asked the "daily" before to look into the houses on the Kawana/Warana foreshore strip the degradation there is terrible in places. Paths hacked through with large trees being felled by chainsaws and quite massive lawn areas created some with permanent watering systems.
In this area it is not through ignorance it is occurring but through blatant land destruction and complete flouting of local laws.

As nobutts said perhaps now that our divisional reps have changed we might see the Council staff being allowed to pursue this issue. To prevent people continuing to poison and destroy trees to improve their view.
on 18 July, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Queensland State Government must allow the public to become better informed by legislating to make the vendor and/or their solicitor provide transparent documentation for the purchaser and the real estate agent prior to any sale.

This documentation provided signed off by the vendor should include any fencing notices, road work notices, covenants, easements, rates, permits numbers for alterations/renovations, certificate of occupancy, sewered or unsewerd etc;
This is a standard practise legislation in Victoria and places responsibility back on the vendor and/or the vendors solicitor prior to any sale.
on 18 July, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
It's a bit tough to suddenly be picked on for what everybody has been doing for a long time and are still doing. Kind of like being the first guy caught dealing drugs if Australia suddenly decided to make an example of you - pretty bad luck. I would think it's better to stringently enforce the laws from here on and for now, only nail the guys who have either knowingly broken the law or where what they have done is a real environmental hazard.
on 18 July, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
One of these residents states "We knew there was a covenant there but didn't know it was so strong" and "So basically our whole yard is encroaching on the covenant" This person knew what they were doing was wrong but did it anyway because they thought the covenant wouldn't be enforced so no sympathy just a large bill for you. Count yourself lucky charges aren't laid for tresspassing!!!!!!
on 18 July, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I agree with Lynton - the State Govnt conveyancing type laws are poor at best and inconsistent when it comes to what can be found or retrieved from Council's.

Also the amounts of money some Council's charge for some of these types of seraches varies dramatically and on occassions 'cost of supply' is blatantly inflated.

Further, it is Council's discretion to release some information espeically if the Councillors believe it is contraversal. Sometimes information is blantantly regionalised or normalised so as not to imply direct property impact.

The bottom line is, when this information is then utilised against property boundaries as all of it is for conveyancing purposes, it is unprofessional if not fraudulent to start comparing different information - apples and oranges.
on 18 July, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I really struggle to work out why they are all moaning.
Ok, some of the home owners did it unknowingly when purchasing the property, due to the fact they/lawyers did not check thoroughly enough, but most of them would have known it was not their land to take/use/build on.
on 18 July, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Looks like the owners did not do their due diligence or just thought that they could ignore it. It was Lend Lease and the last council who approved this arrangement who are at fault. Fancy putting a native vegetation buffer in someone's back yard. Lend Lease has maximised their profit and as a consequence the environment suffers. Just like their greed in trying to gain approval for development on the public Tennis Courts annd building houses right up next to the mangroves on the river.
on 18 July, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I really think most of the early comments here completely miss the point – except for perhaps the one that mentioned the inadequacy of Queensland conveyancing laws. I invite you all to come and have a look at the ridiculous nature of the situation for yourselves. The majority of the properties backing onto Nojoor Road have retained the vegetation. the council just seems hell-bent on making examples out of some unwitting homeowners rather than using common sense to address the situation.

Our property is one of those affected and I completely agree that anyone who has knowingly and obviously encroached on the convenant land should indeed move their structures, re-plant etc. Also, I am aware that ignorance is not an acceptable defense when saying that we didn’t know that the covenant existed (although our solicitor most certainly didn’t inform us). However, we encroach into the covenant area by 30cms, the rest of our land is literally gum trees, grass and undergrowth. How is moving our swimming pool fence by 30cms going to improve the impact on the environment?

I’d even go as far to say that the act of moving the fence will have more impact than leaving it there. 'Sue your solicitor', you say? Apart from lining the pocket of another solicitor that would achieve zero and cost more than moving the fence. If the council had any common sense and competancy, they would be looking at each house on a case by case basis and decide which ones are really impacting on the environment.
on 18 July, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yes T Baxter !
and they could arrest those people having a beer at the beach front BBQ's whilst they're at it.
After all that is consuming alcohol in a public place.

I'm sure the ratepayers and tax payers would agree that these flagrant law breakers need showing just who is the boss around here.

Nothing like a little beauracratic dogma to give Bob Abott a little more heartburn.
on 18 July, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
IS it the case that the pool fences are 30cm outside because they were added later as a result of a new law or by law?
on 18 July, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think I can see Michelle Ralphs' place on Google Maps, third one to the north from the corner of Baywater Drive. If you don't count the corridor of vegetation, some of those blocks are very small. You would need to clear that whole area at the back to create any sort of back yard, especially if you put in a pool like many have done.
on 18 July, 2008 at 6:40 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Surely buyer beware applies though, unless they were duped OR there has been a change in a law or by law that has made it impossible to stay within the boundary.
on 19 July, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
how dare the council (and the developers) sell land to these people this way.
why cant they create corridors for such things as buffer zones and sewerage lines?
these owners have to go to great lenghts and expense to restore something onto their OWN land that they cant use, plus they also have to pay the council rates for something that they cant fully utilise.
Why? Why? Why?
Not As ben18318 says, they are not encroaching on council land . It is their own land. you need to read the story properly first before you right an uninformed comment like that ben.

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