12:00a.m. 19th March 2008
Latest prediction: property prices expected to rise 30% to 40%
The Sunshine Coast property market should gear itself for hard times ahead, with leading real estate agents warning prices could plummet by as much as 30% in the next 18 months.
The top end of the market has already begun to feel the pinch of rising interest rates, soaring petrol prices and the stock market crash, with houses selling for less than their original purchase price in some suburbs.
REMAX award-winning agent Michael Knights said he was aware of properties which sold for $4 million in exclusive suburbs a year ago that were now on the market with a $3 million price tag.
His return from an international conference in Las Vegas has left him more convinced the Sunshine Coast property market is in for a rough time.
“The American real estate market has dropped by 60% and the worst hasn’t come yet,” he said.
“Houses that were selling for $600,000 are now $200,000 – you can buy a house for $50,000 over there.
“And as the Reserve Bank continues to raise interest rates in Australia, we should expect a major downturn in the market over the next 18 months.”
Henzells Real Estate manager Peter Ford said that in the past two weeks he had noticed a change in market conditions.
“Two weeks ago in the mid-course of an auction campaign, buyers became wary, and it (a downturn) usually starts with buyers. They’ve become tentative to bid at auctions at any price.”
Auction clearance rates dropped dramatically across Australia at the weekend, with Brisbane the worst performer as only 24% of properties sold under the hammer – less than half last year’s figure.
In Sydney, the clearance rate dropped below the 50%, with 48.3% selling – a drop of 11 % on the same time last year.
Real Estate Institute of Queensland Sunshine Coast zone chairman Jean Hamer said she wasn’t aware of a drop in clearance rate at auctions on the Sunshine Coast yet.
But with purchases under the hammer having to be unconditional and banks becoming increasingly strict about loaning money, she said it was possible the impact could be felt.
“Selling under the hammer has never been as popular in Queensland as it has been in other states because most people arrange finance after the sale,” she said.
Mr Knight said the “panic” hadn’t started yet, but “it will happen and it will happen overnight”.
“Now is the time to do your homework,” he said.
He predicted a 10% to 30% drop in value, depending on the area and the position of the property, but said it wasn’t all doom and gloom.
“On the positive side, it allows for lots of opportunities for first home buyers to get into the market,” he said.
“We are at the peak of boom right now. It can be a real positive market if people do their homework.
“There would be good news for investors as rents would be forced up.”
The top end of the Noosa market has proven itself to be “bullet-proof”, with agent Tom Offermann still recording impressive sales.
Mr Offermann said Noosa was largely an “investor-driven market” which wasn’t as badly affected by market downturns, and the stock market crash could have a benefit for property.
“People who bought two or three years ago in the share market are still miles ahead, but they might shift their focus on the type of asset to invest in and will shift straight into real estate,” Mr Offermann said.
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Australia has a terrible trade deficit (thanks Costello and Howard) and this week it has been reported that confidence in the share market has been rocked by company directors practising a form of insider trading. We'll hear more on that in coming days and weeks.
Another factor in the US has been the credit crunch caused by deregulation of the financial markets where financial institutions have been been allowed to do as they please, resulting is dodgy financial products like CDOs (collateralized debt obligations) and CDS's (Credit Default Swaps). CDOs have been found to be worthless as they are based on sub-prime mortgages. CDS are what Warren Buffet calls "financial weapons of mass destruction". Madness created by Alan Greenspan and Wall Street providing handsome fees for the CEO's and traders.
Deregulation is such fun, the CEOs manage stuff so well when given a free rein.
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I see you say "I think the same thing applies in the real estate industry. Never listen to an agent "
Fair enough, but who do you think REMAX award-winning agent Michael Knights is and why should we believe his word over another agents?
It is also worth noting that the large drops that have been happening in the US has not happened in all areas, but more in overbuilt speculator areas (anywhere like that on the Sunshine Coast ?)
There are areas of the US where property prices have remained stable, others have gone up.
Will Australia be any different?
Frank
They will say anything that might generate turnover and therefore commissions for themselves.
Don't forget our newspaper is highly committed to the real estate and developer industry - most of their advertising revenue comes from that sector.
Anyway - with rates about to skyrocket and housing prices about to plummet we'll be paying rates well out of alignment with the real values of the property. And I seriously doubt the rates will be lowered. I've never appealed a rates notice in Qld, but down south there is no appeal mechanism and to convince the ratings people they made a mistake you must hire one of their own. There's a clubbiness amongst valuers - none will go against the decision of their mates
Now agents are saying prices will drop yet not 2 weeks ago they were saying how great our market is. An agent tells a vendor what they want to hear in regards the value of their property then signs them up. A few weeks into the selling campaign (which the vendor has paid for) the agent comes back and says "the market is telling me you house is only worth $xxx".
Q1 - was the listing price right?
Q2 - how did the market change in a matter of weeks?
Q3 - If I have to lower my price will you lower your commission?
People, it is a game of presentation and selling just like any other commodity and you just have to decide which side you are on, the seller or buyer.
As a Buyers Agent I see boom times ahead for my business because the average person, both buyer and seller, do not know the full story of the current market relating to their personal property. Facts, trends and history tell the story but ultimately it comes down to how much an individual is willing to pay or sell for and that, ladies & gentleman is the only thing that matters.
I wouldn't go betting my house on anything a Real Estate Agent said.
You have to ask yourself the question, is there a conflict of interest here?
Are you 100% confident with 30%?
What about the 200,000 dwellings short our leading economists are talking about that this country will have by 2010?
If these figures are correct based on the principle of supply and demand what would you do?
Since when has a property agent been qualified to speak on economics and money matters, property agents after all just list and sell, end of story!
Economists and Governments can't get it right so why should Michael Knights get it right? Now get back to work!
New house starts behind what is needed to meet demand . Rental accom at a premium. Comment from truly qualified persons is whats needed here. Not from some hooray henry, who thinks having done a short realestate course and having his photo splashed all over a bus puts him in a position to make such ridiculous unfounded comments.
Property has show a consistent return of 11% every year for 60 years. Why did you not give the community an unbaised and informative piece of news. The reaction of local business people to your report is one of "how does a newspaper have the stupidity to report the market is expected to drop 30% based on what subtance? I am sure I speak for the entire sunshine coast community in saying that positive news with credible reporting will make the region a positive place to invest and live in as has been proven over the last few decades and will prove again as people continue to migrate to our amazing region. Why not write an informed story with REAL iformation on how the real estate market in general has proven to be one of the most sound investments over a long term period.
Ed: We have a responsibility to bring our readers stories and opinions from a range of different sources - that is what makes us a credible news source. While inevitably some of these may be viewed as negative (and even in this instance, that perception would depend one whether you were a home buyer or seller), you will find plenty of "positive" property market stories on our property page on this site.
I take it you must have a lot riding on property at the moment? The acid-filled response you dealt the daily reeks of one whose nerves have been touched by something he didnt count on.
I have been having a go at the Daily for years now and its tendency to push the property market and highlite its over-achievers like Amber Werchon who make a buck while the rest flounder under the burden of someone else dollar....or commissions.
Get over it gaz and shaz, its just another piece of sensationalism in a paper that next week will highlite how resiliant its property market is how our prices will not be affected despite the rest of australia showing signs....
its happened before.
he had told my friend who was listed with him.
take the $420.000 offered it's the best you are going to get.
and guess what she told him where to go and as a result of changing agents she has a contract for $472.000. on the same house Micheal said she should take $420.000.
don't listen to one agent shop around.
See, there, I am being positive.
As for the content, I loved the remark above about not listing your property with Remax, if you are selling. Mr. Knights might now think twice before offering such an extreme and sensational opinion.
These real estate agents are only interested in getting their names in the paper, and they don't care how they do it.
It is all an ego trip for them. Notice how they all have to have their photos on the for sale signs? Nothing to do with the property - just ego.
In general given the population growth of the coast (and certainly the Sth East corner) I can't see house prices dropping off much if at all. The 30% example he gave was in the premium market, I can't imagine a property in the mid-range doing that. That would mean a $600k property is now only worth $400, putting it back in the entry level market. Times are not that desparate at the moment.
It's easy to create a sensational headline from one example to draw a response, however common sense tells you that reality is not that extreme. I find it quite amusing as I heard Michael Matusik & the Brisbane director for Herron Todd White 2 weeks ago saying the premium market is still performing quite strongly.
As they say: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics! Just depends on the spin as to how you interpret it.
Ah.. er , I hate to spoil the party gazashaza et al but during the early to mid 1980's, in a matter of months, property dropped 25-30% here on the SSC.
Ask locals about the "hole in the ground" at Coolum or the highrise lockouts and bankruptcies at Moolooaba. From the early 1990's values flatlined for nearly a decade.
My (non-professional) advice based only on life experience: sell investment properties now.
My second and more important piece of advice: Never listen to anyone. Do your own homework before investing or disinvesting in anything.
There is a rock hard reality beyond the industry's fool's gold dreamspin of ever increasing property values.
(I am touting to increase membership in the Bob Bates Fan Club!)
:-)
Back to what you have said.
I bought canal front property in Minyama in 1983 for $300,000.00. Wanna guess what it's worth now?
If I was in the market for a property right now and read today's headline about a 30% drop about to hit the housing market, I'd be tempted to wait a little while before buying.
If enough people did that, then properties must fall in price as people who really needed to sell started dropping their price due to a drying up of potential buyers.
A self-fulfilling headline perhaps?
Keep it up SCD... you may have found a way of solving the affordability crises... lol
7:02pm bob_bates says property purchased for $300000 in 1983.
Rule of 72 ( if you know it) would roughly suggust bob's house would double every 7 years or so...
1990=$600k, 1997=$1.2m 2004=$2.4m 2008=$4.0m ????
watch out Bob, Michael Knights might be knocking on your door, with a offer you have got to take of $3.0m Haha
"A self-fulfilling headline perhaps?"
Right on the money, Jeff, to some extent I reckon you have just recently experienced very personally that the SCD's agenda is not the same as yours!
"Keep it up SCD... you may have found a way of solving the affordability crises... lol"
I swear that for every 'lol,' you post, I'm gonna do a :( ......or, if you get it right, a ROTFLMAO.
Depends, however. You might tire me out. A 'lol' involves fewer key strokes!
Psssst.....I'd really like it if you joined my Fan Club. How 'bout it?
I would not even put this article on the bottom of my Galah's cage, as i am trying to teach it to talk and feel it will only act as a deterent when he can see what learning how to talk can lead to...
$3166771 with a 30% drop.
Is this your property?
http://www.search4property.com.au/buy/re...
If you bought in '83, your property, like mine was worth less by 1986. but still a good long term investment. I have serious doubts about young people who are now 'getting in' at the peak of the cycle and paying upwards of 40% of their income in interest.
On the matter of the skewed property market check out Tim Colebatch in Wednesday’s Melbourne Age the age.com.au/news /opinion “AUSTRALIA'S landlords are claiming more than $3 billion a year in subsidies from Government, as the popularity of negatively geared rental housing — and its cost to taxpayers — continues to balloon……”
It can't go on forever.
I bought my house in 1997 for $160,000 and if it is expected to double in 7 years...... hmmm $380,000 and plus 4 years = whooee I am miles in front.
It really does come down to location, location, location and doing your homework.
LifeofRiley
Vice-President
Bob_Bates Fan Club - no lolling allowed
Mix commission sales and room-temperature IQ real estate sales people with the single most significant product the average person will purchase. Result - paranoia.
And this is supposed to be the basis of our economic system.
You're all being had.
Money may be the root of all evil - but property is the root of all money.
LOL
Stelis
Chairman
Bob_Bates fan club - quiet Bob wants to speak...
"If you bought in '83, your property, like mine was worth less by 1986."
No, at least not according to the Valuer General.
(Cheeky cow stelis.....Chairman, no less! Wonder what LifeofRiley thinks of that coup?)
Hey stelis, cheeky indeed. At least I was appointed.
The Fan Club grows. When are you going to have a website Bob?
Still living the Life of Riley
Interestingly, after twice being privately offered in the vicininty of 700 thousand for my joint, I call in the agents to see what they reckon its worth, and surprise, surprise, three different agents look at me glumly and say 'about 540 thousand top dollar".. Guess who wont be marketing with a real estate agent, especially if their are privateers who're offering about 150 k more??
I reckon if you want to sell, put the price you want on it and sell it through one of those agent free websites.
They are apparenty having a lot of success.
With the introduction of the internet an average user can research trends and values of his property.
But it always comes down to seller beware! Used car salesmen and real estate agents are tarred with the same brush.
Might be a nice little exercise even though I am not intending to sell.
Who pays for them, I wonder.
Talk the market down to motivate the buyers
However I agree that real estate prices are over valued - the global credit squeeze will affect us and unfortunately Australia is not immune.
Prices will continue to drop just like the share market.
Its going to be especially tough to handle for those people in their 20 and 30's who don't know what a recession is.
"However I agree that real estate prices are over valued - the global credit squeeze will affect us and unfortunately Australia is not immune. "
Why? Dubbya said not less than 12 months ago that he'd kill (or similar) to have our economy.
There are zillions flooding into Australia from China and India.....and Vietnam will be on the short list soon.
It seems we have the raw material they want.........
.......and then they pollute the Planet using them, but that is a separate issue.
Those two better be careful that Neil Jenman doesnt come and get them, ...what is this world coming too when Real Estate Agents " trick us " for personal gain !...lol
By the way has anybody seen the back of the bus with Michael Knights head -face smashed / covered with egg and diesel grime-road dust ?...funny stuff...promise I didnt do it
Regards
Myke_Hunt
Deputy Tea Lady
Bob Bates Fan Club
His name was David Lange. He was a large man (huge actually) with an intellect to match his size.
He had a great ability (amazing actually) to utter profound statements in apparent jest.
Twenty years ago he likened the financial market experts to "Reef Fish" in their ability to dart en masse in any direction when suddenly confronted with seeming "facts".
David Lange was quite right (exactly right actually) in describing the situation then and when I witness the current share market volatility and the inane utterances of so called (self appointed actually) real estate experts, I have a mental picture of David Lange smiling from the grave (what better time than Easter to reflect?)
Rise again David. Australia needs your witty wisdom.
Just because some-one attends a conference in another country does not make them an instant expert. Yes higher interest rates will slow down the market. However the fact remains that there is simply not enough supply to meet demand and this will ensure that prices will not drop significantly.
The lifestyle benefits of the Sunshine Coast region are nationally renowned and the demand is not going to go away.
On top of this, no-body knows when the rates will begin to decrease or what is in store for the demand and prices of this country's commodities over the next twelve months.
Rates can come down just as quickly as they rise and when they do there is a lot of monry just sitting in investor cash accounts waiting to re-enter the market.
The time to buy real estate is immediately before investors return to take advantage of the high yields and push up the property prices again.
Mr Knights how do you feel. I bet listing and sales for you have dropped more than 30%.
Looks like the premier Remax agent who was booted out of of Redcliffe now may find himself getting the same reult here Sunshine Coast.
I wonder where we will be find him popping up again spreading his professional outlook.
If the mortgagee defaults, the banks just sell up the asset or onsells the loan contract. Many of the US mortgages were setup with a honeymoon period that once expires launches the new interest beyond reality.
In many cases the new interest rates are more than credit card rates. This is pure preditory behaviour and basically setting mortgaees up for failure.
Australia is very different where mortgagees have a variable rate from the start, there is no honeymoon period with the rates charges.
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