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Nude's not rude, says Freebeach group

If you ask Freebeach Australia president Anita Grigg, nude is definitely not rude and those on the Coast who wish to shed their clothes need a beach where they can do it legally.

In fact, Ms Grigg believes that far from being offensive, a nude beach could actually bring people closer together.

The idea of having a place on the Coast where people can legally lose their strides was brought back in to the public spotlight last week when magistrate Barry Barrett dismissed wilful-exposure charges against an elderly Coast man and virtually accused Queensland of hypocrisy.

Mr Barret said Ken Wenzel, 77, was not treated fairly when police spotted him in the buff at Third Bay beach in July 2005.

For years, police have turned a blind eye to the nude Olympics at Noosa’s Alexandria Bay each March, but officers decided it was inappropriate for Mr Wenzel to wander about sans clothing at the Coolum beach.

The magistrate awarded Mr Wenzell $2000 in court costs and said the court would not be party to such double standards.

Ms Grigg agreed with the magistrate’s comments and produced a photograph of Nude Olympic competitors posing naked in front of a police car.

She maintains that shedding clothes should be allowed at certain beaches as it breaks down social barriers that exist in the “textile world” and is a lifestyle choice rather than a form of perverse entertainment.

“We need a place to meet and socialise with like-minded people,” Ms Grigg said. “At the end of a day on a nude beach, you’ll know everybody there.

“I couldn’t tell you a thing about what anyone’s body looked like – I only remember their faces.”

She claims Freebeach Australia has hundreds of members on the Sunshine Coast including lawyers, academics, police officers and others from generally robed walks of life who would benefit if a nude beach was established in the area.

Tourist dollars could also be made as European and Kiwi naturists would travel here to enjoy our warmer climes.

According to Ms Grigg, the Coast is already losing too many naked tourists to legal nude beaches in other parts of Australia.

One of the possible sites for an official clothing- optional beach that she and supporters would like the community and Sunshine Coast mayor Bob Abbot to consider is just north of Stumers Creek, Coolum.

The long stretch of beach runs from about 2km north of Stumers Creek to the boardwalk and is next to where scores of dog owners take their mutts for a stroll every day.

The beach is bordered by a national park, which is marked by vegetated dunes, immediately to the west.

It is around a slight bend, so it generally stays out of sight of families enjoying a day at Stumers Creek.

Signs 200 metres before the northern and southern ends would warn people that clothes were optional in the section they were about to enter.

Entering would not require people to disrobe, but they would need to respect those who had.

Ms Grigg said the site was ideal because emergency vehicles could easily access it and older Freebeach members would not have trouble walking to it.

Freebeach members have more sites in mind, including Alexandria Bay, which is nowhere near as easy to access.

But they are concerned Mr Abbot will not give them a fair hearing.

Nude bathing is outlawed under the Summary Offences Act 2005, and for the law to be changed a local council must ask the government.

The group met with Peter Beattie when he was premier, but has been told there is a three-month wait to meet Mr Abbot.

The mayor confirmed yesterday that his diary was booked out for two months, and that did not include council commitments.

He said he had not known the Freebeach group was trying to organise a meeting, and he would not be able to grant them permission to establish a nudist beach.

“What I would need to see would be some sort of application come through for that to happen,” Mr Abbot said.

“Meeting with me is not going to do them any good. I’ll wait for their application, or they’ll have to wait until they get a meeting.”

Even if Freebeach can get to run its proposals past Mr Abbot, a few discarded knickers may still end up in knots.

While The Daily was at the Coolum section of beach the group would like to claim, few people – other than a couple of kite surfers about 50 metres into the ocean – were anywhere nearby.

But hundreds of prints in the sand told a different story.

Christina Andrews had just walked her fox-terrier through the proposed site and did not like the idea.

“This beach isn’t appropriate,” she said. “This is our dog beach.

“If they want to go to a nude beach, they should be prepared to travel.”

Noosa Liberal MP Glen Elmes said he would strongly resist any moves to establish a nude beach north of Stumers Creek.

Mr Elmes said young families were flocking to live near the area, making it unsuitable for such a proposal.

“There should not be any consideration of a nude bathing beach anywhere in the Coolum area,” he said.

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on 5 May, 2008 at 5:41 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
How will this impact on the Sunshine Coast's boardwalk ? The walkway that will run from Bell's Creek to ... hmmm, local knowledge of north of Noosa not that good ... hmmm, north of Noosa - all along the beachfront.

Will tourists, pedestrians, cyclists and everybody else in the "textile world" be 'required' by the FBA/CO folk to leave the boardwalk and rejoin it at a place they feel comfortable taking their children back to the pathway ?

Again, I'm not debating the legitimacy of the nude beaches as I'm sure there are plenty of supporters (no, I'm not a participant, but I do believe there are many who'd participate in it so I'm not 100% against it ... as I'm sure will be suggested in responses to this issue.)

I'm pointing out that a significant piece of infrastructure which WILL be a massive benefit to tourism will have one heck of a wart on it if the people using it feel inclined or pressured to leave it for a few kms - it detracts from the overall objective (which I do support 100%).
on 5 May, 2008 at 5:44 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
What an antiquated way of thinking about nudists some people have. They condemn and and vilify those who don't conform to what is considered the normal behaviour of the majority of people.People will actually go out of their way and battle through scrub to get a peep at a nudist beach and THEN they are outraged.

Sure it does not suit everyone to be romping on a beach in their birthday suits but for those who do enjoy the freedom of the shackles of clothes to allow their bodies to breathe for a while there should be tolerance.

If you are offended by the sight of a naked body it doesn't take rocket science thinking how to avoid it. Now I'm an animal lover make no mistake about that but WHEN did a dog's need overrule a humans need.

I agree that dogs need to run free no argument from me on that but take a look at the vast stretches of beach we have here that are designated areas for dogs to run off leash.

Surely in this day and age a few wowsers are not going to rule the roost again.

I used a nudist beach in Sydney for years and this is how it was. The males of the group watched over the women and the whole group watched over the children to see that no harm was done to them, if by chance a person overstepped the mark they would be quietly taken aside and told the unwritten laws of the beach and that if they wanted to stay they must be circumspect in their behaviour and not do certain things. Filth is in the minds of observers and they see filth where no filth exists.
on 5 May, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The Coast "boardwalk" should not be built along the shore where it will destroy the environment of the Emu Mountain branch of the National Park. As for dog walkers, when I was at the beach a few days ago, I saw lots of dog poo everywhere. there were two dogs fighting near some children. Dog owners are not being responsible. There were two large dogs chasing a bird in the national park and no owner restraining them. It is not a good idea for there to be a dog "off leash" section of beach beside a national park. The dog owners already have the beach from Stumers Creek to the Caravan Park to the south so why do they also need an extra 1km of beach to the north of Stumers Creek? The only children around were those playing in Stumers Creek. The beach we want as a clothes optional section was empty. There were no people walking their dogs on a fine sunny day on a public holiday. So why are the dog owners being so selfish?
on 5 May, 2008 at 10 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Anita Grigg and marsketa (from recent blogs) seem to make the same points, using the same words. I would have expected different adults to form similar views but from slightly different angles - unless there are not that many ways to push the argument they are pushing ?

But I'm just a "textile" (per marsketa, 3 May) from the "textile world" (per Ms Grigg, today). Perhaps my thoughts are being constraints by the shackles of clothing ?

For the benefit of everyone else (as I know this point will be missed by the blinded-with-tunnel-vision, but not clothing), I am not dead against the concept, just making observations and points for consideration.
on 5 May, 2008 at 7:11 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I heard a comment at a service station a few days ago about this very comment. "I don't want my children seeing nude men on the beach" after nearly choking on my coke, I thought to myself what kind of genius would take a child to a unpatrolled beach anyway... as I think all accepted nude beaches on the coast are not patrolled anyway. As in other comments... for the not so game, simply go to another beach, there are lots of choices.
Nude beach resorts are huge business overseas, and I would think Australia would not be shy in the least to accomodate a world class nude resort.
on 5 May, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Anita Grigg, why does it have to be 'a beach to meet and socialise with like minded people'?
Perhaps you could start on a less controversial area and after you have demonstrated to the unenlightened and moral vigilantes that it is indeed as harmless as you profess, then you may go a long way to convince these nay-sayers of the benefit of the Stumers area or some other beach.
The coast is a quite conservative place and needs to be gently shown your vision on a smaller scale.
I suggested several alternatives on the 'nude' blog sites of the Daily.
Get lateral in your thinking, Anita, because this hill you climb is long and steep.
on 7 May, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
My 2 cents worth,
It would seem you have been writing more than your two cents worth here. LOL
on 7 May, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I just like that word "textiles". Wow I wonder if Anita saw it here and copied it from me? That would be awesome!
on 7 May, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Phil surfmore,
Do you mean Bill Hoffman's blog in the Daily?
Been there, done that! LOL
on 7 May, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Marsketa...I don't think Bill will be too happy as M/s Grigg suggested Mudjimba Beach as one of her options.
I suggested some of the upper reaches of our beautiful rivers, Lake Weyba, Boreen Pt., Wappa Falls there are plenty of options.
Not sure I could take the kids for a surf at a CO beach unless it was the best bank around and not too crowded.
You could get Anna Bilgh to open it in one of those bright orange safety numbers she always wears on the box or not. Maybe give Big Bob the gig. I'm sure the pollies will jump at the media opportunity.
on 11 May, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Bill,
Presumably with signs to advise the public, you will now be able to make the choice not to take your children to the legal clothes optional beach. All good :)
on 12 May, 2008 at 3:50 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
How can it be that certain people accept that those who smoke cigarettes can pollute the atmosphere and the environment with their lifestyle choice, those that drink alcohol can be continually intoxicated in public and that is a lifestyle choice and yet for people like Bob Abbott who despite his size doesn't have the stamina to accept that many people quite enjoy the feeling of going without clothes and swimming in the surf are somehow undermining the integrity of the public to make an informed decision about swimming at one beach or another within the councils domain because that is their lifestyle choice, and if your worried about perverts start with the public toilets.
on 12 May, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Phil,
I understand the beach they are putting forward is more down towards maroochy north shore with the wetland behind and not Mudjimba main beach. And what a good idea! we'll have Anna Bligh and Bob Abbott to officially open the first nude beach in QLD.
on 12 May, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Now Bob is talking about public consultation. The only fair way to do this is to hold a referendum which will cost many thousands of dollars to do properly. We didn't need to have public consultation when they made a dog "off leash" beach next to national park north of Coolum. We didn't have public consultation before horse owners could ride through State Forests.

The council didn't ask the public when it closed the Sunshine motorway for a cycle race. Was the public asked if they wanted a ship sunk off the coast for the divers. No, in each case the council made the decision based on what was best for those involved and the tourist industry. The Sunshine coast needs tourists. Our economy depends on it. So Big Bob for the Big Job should now be willing to make the Big decisions.

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