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5:53AM Sunday 23 November, 2008 Sunshine Coast weather Mostly sunny min 17° - max 25°

I'll keep tagging, graffiti fan says

I'll keep tagging, graffiti fan says

’Zion’, a graffiti artist talks out about graffiti on the Sunshine Coast. Photo: Cade Mooney / 178693

Meet Zion. You don’t know him, but there’s a good chance you detest him.

Zion exists with you, although he doesn’t feel entirely at one with you.

You belong to the “normal community”. He belongs to the graffiti community.

Standing in a long alley next to Horton Park Golf Club in Maroochydore, the walls of businesses that line the alley heavily marked with graffiti, Zion agreed to talk to the Daily after a campaign was launched to rid the Coast of graffiti.

It’s his attempt at shedding light on a culture that’s repugnant to most people.

With his identity shielded by his street name and the respirator he wears when he paints, the 20-year-old looks like the archetypal Coast youngster – three-quarter pants hung low at the back, T-shirt, New York Yankees baseball cap worn slightly to one side, Adidas shoes.

For someone who devotes a large part of his life to defacing public property, he’s surprisingly respectful, referring to anti-graffiti crusader Graeme Hall as “Mr Hall”.

Zion shares at least one thing in common with Mr Hall: both have no idea what makes the other one tick.

Mr Hall’s mission is to rid the Coast and Australia of the graffiti he considers an eyesore.

Zion’s mission is to paint as many walls as possible – and he never wants to stop.

The serious element in Zion’s world refer to themselves as “writers”.

He says “taggers” are usually kids who paint their aliases on things like street signs and power boxes.

There are around 50 hard-core writers on the Coast, people like him who have reached a high level and regard themselves as artists.

“We’re just promoting art,” he says, adding the overall number of graffitists is in the hundreds.

Zion, who started as a tagger in high school, doesn’t want to talk too much about himself – he prefers to let his writing do the talking.

“It’s not about you as a person,” he says. “It’s more about your world, your art.”

A labourer who is currently between jobs, Zion reckons Mr Hall and his kind are wasting their time.

Mr Hall has painted over a large section of graffiti on the Sunshine Motorway as part of his Mission Brown initiative and secured a promise from main roads minister Warren Pitt for the government to continue the job.

Ironically, the brown paint Mr Hall uses is an eyesore to Zion – and a red flag to a bull.

“It’s a fresh canvas to me,” he says.

“It’s all about who can keep it up the longest. It could go on forever.

“It’s something in your blood. Once you have a taste for it, you don’t want to put it (the spray can) down.”

There’s a message for Mr Hall and others opposed to graffiti on one of the walls in the alley. It reads: “Mission Brown Makes Me Frown”.

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on 6 October, 2008 at 1:41 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Uncover your face and give us your (legal) full name! Let us all see you for the sad and pathetic little loser that you really are... You're no better than an animal which urinates on walls to mark its territory...

Zion, what a name... Do you think you are a character from the matrix or something!?!
on 6 October, 2008 at 4:57 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I do believe I recently wrote in the daily your say some of these graffiti artists are just that. Gifted artists but not artists in the main stream of what is considered Art. Theirs is a different art. This graffiti art can and has been used to create some very interesting views on how these young people see our world and its troubles.Apart from that why can't someone channel this talent into creating a cheerful and bright ongoing mural on the sound barriers on our motorways. The Daily has had a chat to this young man so why not have a chat to some others and see what could be done.Picasso would have been considered a tad offbeat in his day I bet.As the saying goes "look outside the square"
on 6 October, 2008 at 5:43 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Why didn`t you set this little sh#%*t up and get him arrested while you were interviewing him?
on 6 October, 2008 at 6:20 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Maybe Zion should get himself a real job instead of vandalising other peoples property. Taggers or artists as he likes to call himself are just selfish individuals with no respect for other people and thier property! If I caught Zion tagging on my fence or anything for that matter I would empty the whole can of spray paint over his nice white t-shirt and low slung pants!
on 6 October, 2008 at 6:42 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
sunnyone44 - offer your property (if you have one) to the taggers as a blank canvas if you're so keen on it - see what it does to the value of it - your facile attempt at broadmindedness flies in the face of other comments you have left in this forum
on 6 October, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
There does seem to be a difference between "writers" and "taggers". And the work of some "writers" is better than some of the stuff I've seen in art galleries. Maybe "writers" could be allowed to brighten up some areas. But then they would have to protect their work from "taggers"..........
on 6 October, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The solution is simple; CUT HIS FINGERS OFF !!
Leave the thumbs, he'll need them when he has to have a leak.
on 6 October, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I used to walk along that bleak little alley way every day - the only thing that was pleasant was the art on the wall! Some of what is painted is by really talented people (and some just scrawl their name without regard). Every now and then, they will paint over the old and add a new picture. One year there was a very moving tribute to Anzac Day during April.
I don't believe in blatent vandalism, but the walls along the golf course are a perfect place for this kind of creative outlet. The boys spraying have always been pleasant and polite and said hello when anyone walked past. Seeing what they painted was a highlight of walking down that path. Much better to pass them than the drunk or drugged teenages that used to hang out there too. Better for them to have a creative outlet.
There needs to be more "legal" places for people to paint.
on 6 October, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Im a bit naive on this subject, however I wasnt aware that graffiti artists deface personal property. I thought their main targets were motorways, alleys etc. Unless it is offensive material, what is the problem? Ive often thought a lot of graffiti to be quite interesting. I certainly dont condone any graffiti on personal property of others.
on 6 October, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I've had this arguement with a graffiti artist before, he couldn't get in his head the difference between art and vandalism. I think that some of the art on walls is great and has needed quite a bit of skill to achieve the final painting. I'm all for this kind of art providing it's done on a wall or fence with the owners permission. Or what's wrong with a nice big blank canvas. Those initals sprawled across signs, fences and any thing else is pure vandalism and the "artist" should be made to pay for the removal of it. Or better yet, make them remove it under a community service order.
on 6 October, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Graffiti is basically for kids that have minimal artistic ability coupled with a massive ego. There are some good graffiti artists on the planet (look up Banksie Paradox if you're keen), but idiots like "Zion" are ruining the environment for their own selfish kicks. I think it's time he tried tagging a moving train or two.
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I can't believe the revolting, bullying people that exist on the Sunshine Coast who are intent on abusing others via this topic forum.
The graffiti artists have our full support to continue to brighten this homogenous backwater and rid these rednecks of their disgusting behaviour.
I would prefer to share the Sunshine Coast with graffiti "artists" and many Zion's than uneducated scum.
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Graffiti is not art.

It is an eyesore.

And these "writers" are cowards....why else hide behind your white gangsta make up and mask?

Its a shame the Daily didnt drag his unemployed butt to the cop shop.
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
sunnyone44: Yes, Picasso was considered a bit "out there" in his day, but he didn't use that as an excuse to force his "art" on others by writing ilegible garbage on their fences. And that's just what these kids are doing. It's not talented - it's just tagging - the whole point is to see your symbol in as many places as possible. And yes, of course there are graffiti "artists" out there, but unfortunately none on the sunshine coast. The difference is that an "artist" has to be recognised by their peers in whatever field they pursue. Graffiti vandals and their americanised BS are pumped full of their own importance and honestly believe what they are doing is important. It's just ego driven vandalism.

Don't encourage this.
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Ah grewvy of towen mountain I do not believe I said a word about people's private property. I see there are others in this forum who agree with me somewhat. I have an open mind and like to explore different boundries. To my mind there is always a solution to a problem and that solution may not suit all but what or who would it harm to explore the realms of possibility .
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The graffiti kids in my suburb were caught by their parents - they now use computer labels with their "tag" on and stick them everywhere. So funny. So sad.

The photo of your graffiti vandal fulfills the stereotype - young, skinny, small, pimply, can't get a girlfriend so they paint their name everywhere ROFLMAO

And using the name Zion - must infuriate every Jew and Muslim on the coast - - that such an historicaly significant name has been taken by a petty vandal.
on 6 October, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey, I appreciate interesting art as much as the next person.

But what peeves me about people like 'Zion' is that the 'Zions' obviously have a fair amount of spare time on their hands. How about 'Zion' uses that time to study to get a real job, or just get a job...pay taxes...and then his taxes can contribute to cleaning up the mess the 'Zions' make around the place.
on 6 October, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hey MUM & DAD what do you think of your little angel now. Yea I know you know he would not do anything like that. he only uses his $20 a week pocket money for doing good things. THAT must be someone else who looks like my son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
on 6 October, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I often wonder about these graffiti artists, why they dont put all this so called "art-work" on canvas and then place them in art exhibitions to earn themselves some money, that would be a more acceptable task than defacing "SOME ONE ELSES' PROPERTY"
on 6 October, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
you all use the law as an argument against street art yet try to overcome the issue by breaking the law if its such an issue shouldn't the council fix it?

on 6 October, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Vanga,
I think you meant to say Jew and Christian.
But yes Zion is such a special name.

This young chap may have quite a lot of spiritual pressure on him as such. He needs all our prayers.
on 6 October, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I recently took a walking tour of graffiti sites in Melbourne - run by the council.
Artists come from all over the world to show thier work on space provided by council and home owners who appreciate it as genuine art.
Brilliant stuff.
http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/info.cfm...
As the article mentions, "tagging" is not art.
Genuine graffiti can be traced over decades and has developed as true artistic medium.
It's a pity so many closed-minded attitudes are displayed here.
Give the kids a space and watch what happens.
I'd rather give Zion and his mates a few bucks to paint my wall than pay for drab mission brown.
on 6 October, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
no steve from buderim

zion is historically important to muslims - because of the zionist movement which set out to kick the muslims out of palesitine.
on 6 October, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
vanga,
I beg to differ.
Muslims have very little significant history there actually whereas the Jews have major claim dating back thousands of years. Thats why the UN gave the Jews their land back.
Zion will always be God's holy place.
The muslims are currently there in quite a number courtesy of their Jewish employers mainly.
on 6 October, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
the education system in this country has a lot to answer for

another with no knowledge of history

do a google - a good place to start

check out the history of that area. maybe the editor can do a public service and explain to people what really happened.

The zionist movement were the original terrorists in that part of the world - blowing up the star of david hotel to convince the british to leave. using young men with bombs strapped to their body and then blowing themselves up.

the british gave palestine to the zionists

it's only wikipedia, but a good place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...
on 6 October, 2008 at 11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Come on own up, how many of you in this forum are related to this guy, that's the only possible explanation for your sympathy and support of this public nuisance and criminal offender. yvonny you're right on, "others peoples" property is everything that it not owned by the artist. ie council owned walls & sound barriers and private property.
on 6 October, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I agree skippy. Let these "writers" (lol) write all over the property of those who have attempted to defend or justify this needless act of vandalism.
on 6 October, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Its amazing how the short sighted the history of Israel is often viewed. Out of Zion the deliverer will come.......and come again in all His glory.
on 6 October, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I have been reading a few articles on graffiti, and have come across the most fantastic artwork done on otherwise unsightly walls in New York. It really transformed a horrible area into a bright place. I think there is a place for "street art" but the mere mention of the G word sends everyone into a frenzy of hatred. Vandalism of private property is never ok, but I think there is a place for some of the artwork I have seen just by doing a google search. And no Im not related to this guy.
on 6 October, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Go to art school and develop your skill. Practice on cell walls if you want to continue to ruin people's property. Great artists never vandalised other's property and claimed it as their job or god given right. Graffiti artists are not in the same category as historic artists, for that matter I don't recall studying any graffiti artists when I studied art in high school. And tagging is not art it's self gratification for one's personal pleasure. Isn't it time we stopped encouraging criminal acts like this?
on 6 October, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Oh dear... unrelated to the topic but steve from buderim has a very warped take on modern history...
"The muslims are currently there in quite a number courtesy of their Jewish employers mainly"- Get educated!
on 6 October, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I Exist.
You 're correct . I worded that poorly.
Isn't it amazing that there are so many muslim surrounding countries and yet none of them appear willing to help take in their dislodged Palestinian brothers. Consequently, with Israel's great rate of progress and prosperity, they find themselves employed there.
on 6 October, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
steve - one country kicks out its native population because they have a different religion and you expect them to just go to a neghbouring country???

on 6 October, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Isn't it amazing that the dislodged palestinians have to seek other countries to take them - because their own country has been taken from them

and to work in their own country they have to have a passport.

south africa stopped doing that years ago

nazi germany stopped doing that half a century ago
on 6 October, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
is there graffiti in palestine?
on 6 October, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
STOP making political & religious assessments out of the "Zion" moniker. Zion himself probably doesn't even understand the ramifications or significance of the name...All that bothers me is the Americanization of Sunshine Coast youth,what's wrong with just a shirt & boardies and an appreciation of the fact we don't have a society here where the wrong "colours" get you shot! Where I am in Sth America right now,the wrong soccer shirt gets you stabbed in my neighborhood.....
on 6 October, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
So, if I was to do some of my own "writing", or whatever I consider art, all over little Zion's car (if he has one), I guess he wouldn't have a problem with that?!?!?
on 6 October, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
But this isn't New York, it's not art, it's tagging. Take his photo off the website and don't give him the time of day that he thinks he deserves. The tagging is ugly. The "mission brown' paint actually does look good on the Motorway compared to the rubbish that was there.
on 6 October, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
" our full support to continue to brighten this homogenous backwater and rid these rednecks of their disgusting behaviour.
I would prefer to share the Sunshine Coast with graffiti "artists" and many Zion's than uneducated scum. "

pleeeeeeeese go get a dose of reality.

Well let's all get out the dulux and go crazy on the town !

Gimme a break - not impressed that The Daily could see this side of the story as NEWS or that they could then go on to romanticise it.

I recall travelling around Europe last year and crossing many countries in a short time.
It was highly noticable the variation in graffitti between countries.
Both an eyesore and an enditement on the sophistication of the region's culture.

This is not about legitimate artists, it's more a story about the tagging wannabe's who then aspire to becoming this irresponsible little darling.
Then you've got two hundred Zion acolytes running around making our town look like harlem.

Maybe the courts should put them on community service painting the Storey Bridge with a toothbrush.

Grow up Zion and get a real life ..... and for all you turkeys fighting the battle over the Zion history lesson, if any of you had been reading between the lines all along, you would have realised that the whole middle east mess was started by just that type of behaviour in the first instance.
on 6 October, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Well holy snappin duck s#*& batman.. Half you people just really dont have a clue do you?? Did you even read the article property?? Firstly do you really think he tags Zion? Hell no.. Secondly what are the cops gonna do? Where's your proof he did these crimes? Innocent until proven guilty remember.. If you know nothing about the law then don't make a statement about it! Thirdly, leave the Palestine, Muslim issue to another forum, this one's about graffiti..

Go for a wander around the coast sometime, this time open your eyes up.. Caloundra library - graffiti painted, Nambour pool - graffiti painted, shops in M'dore - Graffiti painted, shops in Pacific Paradise/Marcoola - graffiti painted.. And they are all done legally, some of which are paid work....

Mission Brown is a nasty colour, if you like the colour then i see why you dont like art!!!! Graffiti is art, only closed minded people think it is isn't.. Graffiti is aimed at government owned property, a form of retaliation against the government which was started in U.S many years ago.. Some whom are famous Artists now, eg: Lee Quinonnes.. Graffiti on private property however is not excusible.. But there is only a minor few people of the graffiti community who wreck it for the rest of them..
on 6 October, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
eugene, isnt that the whole idea of a newspaper - to offer both sides of a story? why shouldn't zion have a say - id rather read him talking about why he does what he does, than someone else saying why he shouldnt.
on 6 October, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
i seem to remember it wasn't that long ago that the Caloundra RSL comissioned copycat work of Banksy - a GRAFFITI ARTIST! yes, it received a number of complaints, but they were from people who took offence to the content (they failed to see the irony in such things as old people playing bowls with bombs).

kids, grow up and stop defacing other people's property without permission.

commenters, grow up and get off the "pay your taxes" high horse. for all we know, he DOES pay taxes.

the bottom line is this is vandalism, but perhaps some common sense could be applied - if it looks good, keep it and it will act as a much better deterrant than a blank, freshly-painted wall or fence. why not encourage those talented artists out there to show us what they can do?
on 6 October, 2008 at 5:11 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
There are graffiti resistant paints. The link for the paints:
http://www.infolink.com.au/t/Graffiti-Re...
on 6 October, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I like art and consider myself a creative, broad minded person. However (and I promise this is the last time I'll repeat myself), this is not art.

This is tagging. It's egotistical, selfish and of a hopelessly poor quality on the sunshine coast. The worst part of it is that we all have to look at Zion's grade 3 level drawings sprayed on private property.

And Zion - don't take yourself so seriously. Lighten up, stop listening to so much hip hop, stop being so impresionable and try something original. As hard as you try, this will never be New York.
on 6 October, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Some of the full wall artworks along the walking/cycling track next to Horton Park Golf Club are impressive with obvious signs of talent and great effort. The wall murals change frequently, so return visits have been rewarded.

Could have sworn I'd seen a Council worker supervise some artists at these same walls a few months ago.
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
"The serious element in Zion’s world refer to themselves as “writers”."

Yes, and the serious element of other criminals call themselves gangsters and smokers and fences etc etc.

If it's 'art' for 'art' sake then be proud of it Zion. Unmask yourself, revel in your self-important glory, pride yourself on a job well done. Otherwise crawl back in your little hole and tag the insides all you want.

If you think we're impressed at your candour and individuality then your mask is leaking mate.
on 6 October, 2008 at 8:25 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Congratulations Zion for having the fortitude to offer a different opinion. I'm guessing the guy isn't up to Banksy standards of guerilla street art and commentary (Mission Brown makes me frown?) but he has a point on the main stream acceptance of various forms of Aerosol Art. You only have to look at Caloundra RSL's recent refurb. and the more than passing nod (read plagarism) to Banksy's work.
see http://digg.com/arts_culture/Banksy_Para...
on 6 October, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
im against it i use to be a pain in the neck kid doing what he was doing years ago but i have respect for others belongings that sh*t of a kid should know that buisness's pay good money to use or have a building built and then a kid comes alone and destroys it with there painting if there so good why dont they just dispplay them on big white sheets strung between 2 poles in a park or something they should have competitions like that .. i now paint over anything on buildings all the time they can keep doing it but there are people like me that will keep painting over it
on 6 October, 2008 at 10:28 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Running out of good stories to publish are you?

what a waste of space.

Why give this freak the satisfaction of a story as well as giving him celebrity status.

Wearing a mask on his stupid face makes him look more of a freak then he already is.

Time to grow up.

Publish his address so we can deface his property.

The sunshine coast is starting to look like a slum because of these idiots.

Make yourself useful creep and get a job.
on 6 October, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Yay....some intelligent people making some intelligent points about the merit of grafitti...be it in the appropriate places and not on private property.

And yes, I have been to Europe and the youth there also like the grafitti and is considered art.

Why don't people want to share this place with youth? They deserve to make their mark too.
on 7 October, 2008 at 5:49 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
For those of you who have backed this form of vandalism to publicaly owned and privately owned property(thats right those of you that obviously have not seen a nice new rendered and painted fence get tagged overnight) i hope you watched Today Tonight last night(06/10/08) to see that it is against the law and the mentallity of the so called artist that gets off on tagging even moving trains. Please don`t try and tell me theres a difference between tagging and gravity art, if its done without the consent of the owner its vandalism!!! But then again i`m just uneducated apparently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on 7 October, 2008 at 7:50 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
As an older fart it might be nicer if they could spell, knew a bit of grammar, could writing in a script that is legible, had some political comment insted of just their name everywhere..... am I gatting too old??
on 7 October, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
ahhhh Today tonight, the bastion of all that's good in non-sensationalist journalism. I pity the person that takes everything in that entertainment show as Gospel.
on 7 October, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
to the guy below me, graffiti writers exist within the community, they do have proper jobs, graffiti doesn't pay the bill's, chances are your mates with a graff artist.. graffiti is a crime however it is an art as well, more legal spots/commissioned walls need to be put up around the place to help bring down the destructive graffiti..
on 7 October, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Good on yer Coastsuzifromcaloundra,
Using your fuzzy logic as my basis, next time I'm in your area I'll allow my dog to ''make it's mark , after all they deserve it too!"

Or don't you consider a pile of brown dog's t**d to be artistic. The difference is the dog doesn't know the difference between RIGHT and WRONG......
on 7 October, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
here's a novel idea, something constructive even. If you don't want your concrete walls spray painted (like a dog pees on a tree), don't provide em.

Start growing climbers and creepers on the walls. Cost effective, environmentally friendly and removes visibile concrete canvas for graffitti artists.

Problem solvent!
on 7 October, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
actually, dog turds are art - http://www.woostercollective.com/2008/08...

dangerous, but art.
on 7 October, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
"A labourer who is currently between jobs"

Tells us all everything we need to know doesn't it?
on 7 October, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
"Problem solvent"! Ha ha good one kwozzie from Coolum. And what a great idea!
Zion is hilarious and annoying at the same time. I love the quote: “It’s not about you as a person,” he says. “It’s more about your world, your art.” Ha ha! How philosophical of you jobless graffiti boy.
Zion, please don't mistake your ignorance, naive ideals and complete lack of respect, for intelligence. And for everyone's sake, please don't mistake your amateur paint work as 'art'. Is that a spider-web I see in the back ground? HA! IF you insist of publicly humiliating yourself, at least have SOME talent and originality.
No one cares that you like to paint or that you want your 'views' heard. The problem arises when you do it other people's property. But then again- who can blame you..."it’s in your blood". Ha ha- thanks for a good laugh mate!
on 7 October, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
It really amuses me to read some of these comments.
A lot of people just come across as ignorant, rude people with nothing better to do than bully others.
Some graffiti artists are brilliant people, artistic with a political message at times. Of course you get the morons who tag 'i waz ere' or something unintelligible that is sprawled on someones personal property that ruin for those who really have an artistic vision.
Sure, it is easy to sit there in your comfortable worlds and say go get a job or put it on a canvas and make some money, but the way these people break out is through anonymity.
I think one of the best graffiti artists to check out is Banksy - http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/banksy/ba...

I do agree with most people that if they do tag on personal property (houses, fences etc) they should have to pay the price, but give them a break if they are talented and give you something to look at while you're on the motorway (provided you're not the one driving)
on 7 October, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Oh and just a comment to 'Arjay'
You say you don't like the 'americaniZation of the sunshine coast?'
Too bad you used a Z, the English (australian) spelling is with an S...
on 7 October, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Graffiti is NOT art - it is vandalism.
Now paint the same thing on paper or canvas or somewhere legal, then it may be called art.
Anything that destroys public property is not art.
Don't kid yourself folks.
on 7 October, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Stick him in the army !
on 7 October, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
squirt, that's not really a fair comment.

a lot of the tagging on the streets will never be art, whether its on a wall or a canvas. conversely, plenty of the work on walls around the world is already art, canvas not required.

i guess it is partially in the eye of the beholder - legality aside, there was a time when certain bands were lambasted for perverting what was accepted as music. black sabbath was paned by critics, in the 70s, but any one who would argue now that they aren't one of the most important groups in history is a clown. who's to say the same thing won't happen in this situation?
on 7 October, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Just when we thought we'd heard every justification for this vandalism we find there's one more! Nathan good try but the two situations are not the same by any stretch of the imagination, one was legal the other is not.
on 7 October, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
You are so right Nathan from Caloundra.
A lot of rock bands were critised back in their humble beginnings because they were different.
[And just look at them now...rich, famous and loved by their fans of all ages because of the wonderful music we enjoy]]
This kid is not a talented or unique artist in the first place. What amazing "thing" is his legacy to be for the future.??
He hides behind a mask like Hannibal Lecter. I just hope he doesn't also dine on fava beans and Chianti!
The only thing he has got going for him is the likeness he shares with Corey Worthington.!!
on 7 October, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Boy this kid must be really dumb. Fancy naming yourself after a national park in Utah. He's probably got a mate called Bryce Canyon and supports daylight saving time. I reckon we should deport scumbags like this to North Korea.
on 8 October, 2008 at 5:58 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
nathan, the difference is in the context. Black Sabbath's music has never been illegal. And whilst it might not be to the taste of the masses, it is simply a different slant to music.

Some on here are trying to compare something offensive like graffiti to 'art'. Thats sorta like saying that a fart and a nice summer breeze are the same thing because they both have to do with wind.
on 8 October, 2008 at 6:15 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Squirt, if it was painted on paper or a canvas, it wouldn't be graffiti art, would it? I enjoy looking at the interesting works, such as Zion's (great name) and actually bought a graffiti art book for one of my sons a few years ago because he loves art of all types. The book showed amazing grafiti art from all around the world.He actually does his artwork on canvas and skin, but if he chose to paint amazing graffiti on boring old public walkways, I guess I would admire it, if it wasn't offensive. Good on Zion for telling his side of the story.
on 8 October, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
skippy, i wasn't trying to justify anything, and i think you'll find i made the comparison ignoring the legality (or lack thereof).

have a look at what damian hirst or jeff koons can label art and tell me it takes more talent than what can be done with a spray can.
on 8 October, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Tagging is NOT leaving your mark on the world.
Volunteering your time for nippers, meals on wheels or helping the less fortunate will make you feel way better than running around at night wasting your life.
Why not start tagging trucks and cars to brighten up our environment and improve your craft or give your Mum a hand around the house.
on 8 October, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Can Tony Blair be the one to solve the Israel/Palistinian impass?
This is far more important than Zion(ism), his spray tins and his lost agenda.
on 8 October, 2008 at 11:58 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Whatever one thinks of graffiti, I'd rather see a wall covered in graffiti art, than advertisemdnts for coca-cola, beer, and takeaway rubbish.
The authorities who allow every square inch to be covered in commercials, are the real vandals.
on 9 October, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
pfperry from melbourne, that is your opinion.

Some advertising can be quite fetching.eg. Calvin Kline jocks, Elle McPherson lingerie etc.
Would prefer this to all that spray can rubbish which is illegible anyway.
on 9 October, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Hi. I’ve been involved in spray can art for many years and consider it my hobby.
After going through lock up, court and just been seen as a criminal by family or people you meet, it’s not really worth the effort walking around tagging everything you see. It doesn’t make you famous, just gets you locked up.
Teenagers keen to do this type of art should be encouraged by local projects.
But then again, there is always going to be someone who decides to paint where they're not supposed to.

I paint regularly at permission walls around the coast. I buy my own paint and spend hours doing different designs every week or so. I do full backgrounds behind my design and sometimes go to the extent of a theme or character design.

All I ask is that people don’t judge all graffiti artists the same. Taggers who destroy property get what they deserve.

Having permission walls keeps me from painting on the streets. To help other artist do the same there needs to be more permission walls. Take a look at the Horton Park wall; only the far end is now permission, nearest the Dolphin Centre, that part of the wall is kept tidy. If you compare that to the rest of the walls along that stretch, there are normally a few presentable pieces, not just trashed tagging and bombing. If more people would welcome new ideas then maybe there could be more permission walls and therefore maybe less vandalism.
on 9 October, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
All the people that say "graffiti artists are cowards because they wear mask " etc are retarded..

What idiot would go around doing graffiti without a bandana or respirator on or something.. they would like die from the fumes.. Also, what idiot would go around letting everyone know what he looks like.... oh yeah, graffiti artists wouldn't be cowards if they just walked up to a cop and said "hey man, see that tag? I did that."


you guys are seriously messed up.

Some graffiti is art, other stuff is just vandalism.
There should be public walls where people can express themselves.. and not have to hide.
on 9 October, 2008 at 11:30 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
hahahaha.. . i wish i had of been informed of this forum a long time ago so i could have replied to each comment a long time ago.. however unlike some (who tell zion and other writers to get a life) i have a life, and it would be a waste of time to try and debate with a lot of these close-minded people who inhabit this beautiful sunshine coast i call home. firstly i personally know zion. he knows the ramifications of his name, unlike a lot of people commenting here, and chose it as a moniker to promote thought. however, here is neither the time nor the place. he has worked hard a lot of his life and paid his taxes therefore entitling him as much ownership over public walls as you. he has also worked as an unpaid volunteer. he is proud to be young and australian, and he knows that art is a matter of opinion. the medium used does not define art. i dare not go on in fear of repeating what has already been said. thank you to all the open-minded and logical thinking people who have expressed their views on this forum. i would love to spend all night and write an essay but unfortunately i have neither the time nor the patience. i will say one more thing however. you keep telling zion and other writers to stop wasting their time etc. yet what are you doing on here? you complain about spending tax-dollars to remove graffiti yet would rather see it gone altogether than to help set up legal walls. you would rather police 'waste their time' catching art 'vandals' than go out and fight real crime. you would rather waste your time complaining on here and to others than to go out and a make a difference to the world which is so obviously rotting all around you. live outside your nine to five and realise there is more to life.. .

forgive me if there is errors in my writing my mind is still boggling at the illogicality of some people..

Anonymous writer from the Soldiers Of Knowledge crew.. .

peace be unto you all
on 9 October, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
sorry i left out something he has had a few whinge sessions about. the way the article portrayed him and what he wanted to say (actually didn't post anything of what he wanted to say) and he only agreed to the interview to get those points across. he also firmly stands against 'tagging' of private property, but not public property or that of big billion-dollar companies whom he believes are the real crooks... . ever see a zion tag on your neighbours fence?

patiently waiting for the kids of the coast to take their walls back.. .

peace!
on 14 October, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
truth be told no body likes graff on their property, most of us dont even like looking at graff period.. others like it, most obviously despise its existence. i KNOW zion personally and he has never tagged your wall, or your fence .. nothing that belongs to a single citizen in the Sunshine Coast metropolitan. The real issue i Thought this story was to stand for, was why these artists do what they do. Zion came forward with an honest solution to your problems in minimising acts of vandalism away from the public eye and share his views on the issue. Voluntarily zion was and is still prepared to help street kids help channell their anger n frustrations artistically in work shop curriculums. take a look behind the scenes at what goes on in some of these kids homes.. the govt and the council wont do anything about it, so zion my adviceis let people have their say and i guess no body will ever understand - they just want to share their opinions in an attempt to feel self righteous and that they somehow contributed in finding a resolution. nuff said, peace say hi to your mum

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