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4:01AM Tuesday 02 December, 2008

Roundabout lights will improve safety: Pitt


Roundabout lights will improve safety: Pitt

A Main Roads illustration showing the new Maroochydore Road interchange, including the location of the traffic signals.

Main Roads has defended its decision to put traffic signals on the Maroochydore Round interchange, saying that although the lights may increase travel times they will also improve safety.

The new signals began working today and have already sparked complaints from some drivers, who claim they have had to wait up to five minutes for the lights to change.

Main Roads has redesigned the interchange with the Sunshine Motorway because the existing roundabout could no longer cope with the increasing traffic, with more than 35,000 vehicles a day using the motorway and more than 25,000 vehicles each day on Maroochydore Road.

It announced earlier this year that the redesign would include four sets of co-ordinated traffic signals to control traffic and pedestrian movements, but promised there would not be a repeat of Brisbane’s Airport Drive debacle, where motorists claim the move has compounded traffic congestion.

"The roundabout was nearing capacity and was no longer able to cope adequately and safely with the region's growing traffic needs," Main Roads Minister Warren Pitt said this afternoon.

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"A complete redesign was required rather than simply upgrading the existing roundabout to address these concerns."

The new interchange provides four lanes in each direction, two for through traffic and two for traffic turning right, as well as additional lanes for left turns. Entry points to the interchange are controlled by traffic signals phased to accommodate pedestrian and cyclist movements.

However, the signals have already had a mixed reaction from Sunshine Coast drivers this morning, with several callers to radio station Mix FM saying they had to wait too long for the lights to change, including one man who said he was stuck on a red light for five minutes even though there was no other traffic.

Others drivers welcomed the changes, but said some people were already running the lights.

Main Roads has stated that the traffic signals are co-ordinated to “anticipate priority traffic movements and minimise queuing during peak periods”, but Mr Pitt said traffic patterns may take time to settle down and the signal synchronisation would be fine-tuned to ensure traffic flowed smoothly.

"Safety is Main Roads' number-one priority and while the new design may increase travel time for some motorists, it will provide a safer road environment all road users," he said.

Sunair bus services Peter Baynes told the Daily in April that he did not believe lights on the Maroochydore roundabout would ease congestion.

Mr Baynes said his drivers had found the lights on Brisbane’s Airport Drive had added between 10 and 30 minutes to the airport run.

“You’ve got to hope that they are planning correctly and this will work, but I only have the experience of the Brisbane airport,’’ he said.

The new interchange forms part of the Queensland government's $104 million project to duplicate the Sunshine Motorway to four lanes between Maroochydore Road and David Low Way.

Other features of the Maroochydore Road interchange redesign include two bridges to duplicate the Sunshine Motorway over Maroochydore Road, two lanes in each direction for through traffic along Maroochydore Road, two right-turn lanes at each entry point to the interchange; links to the local cycle network and to a new pedestrian/cycle path on the new Maroochy Bridge.

Have you used the Maroochydore Road interchange today? Do you believe the new lights will ease traffic problems or make them worse?

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on 9 October, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I was travelling to Maroochydore and just got through a changing light but was stopped in the middle of the roundabout by a second light with four other cars. Then the traffic of 8/10 cars from the south joined the back of the queue and the spillover stopped any traffic going straight through and delayed the takeoff of inbound traffic . And what for....one car. It wasn't a five minute wait, but still caused frustration. The second set of lights in the middle of the roundabout should wait a bit longer before changing to allow more space for those coming from the other direction.
on 9 October, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Lights on roundabouts??? What a ridiculous bloody idea! Surely the whole point of them is that they shouldn't require lights ... but this of course assumes that everyone knows how to use them, which most people in Queensland don't. Instead of lights, Main Roads should introduce a compulsory roundabout rules reeducation campaign for all drivers. Oh, and the ones on the roundabout on the way to Brissy airport are just a complete nightmare!
on 9 October, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
It used to be a roundabout, but it's clear from the plan view that it isn't any more. A roundabout with lights would be a lot more problematic than this interchange design.
on 9 October, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Only an engineer could come up with this idea.
on 9 October, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Maybe there's a few bugs?

Sometimes these things take time to sort out. The community should be patient. It wasn't long ago that Tow trucks used to park next to the roundabout. The idea is to improve safety not delay and ruin peoples day. Patience people.....
on 9 October, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
They had traffic lights on a multi intersection, Multi- lane roundabout in southern Sydney and had to remove them after it turned into the most dangerous accident blackspot in town.
on 9 October, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Brisbane gets a multi billion subway system and we get this.

and more promises of CAMCOS !

Breath taking.
on 9 October, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
It's been a while since I've driven to Brisbane but apparently they have the same thing at their round abouts.

How totally stupid, redicuolous, incompetent, Fawlty Towersish

Who was the planner who built a round about that couldn't handle the traffic flow? doesn't anyone study demographics anymore??

can'r someone read an ABS report on the projected population of an area - and extraplate the traffic flow

I know that getting things right can be done, I know that projeting future use is methodical but fairly easy.

i know professionals with university degrees are supposed to be employed as planners and advisers for this sort of thing

so who stuffed up?
on 9 October, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
What an absolute disaster. What sort of foolish engineer/s could come up with such a ridiculous waste of time and money. The end result has not improved traffic flow (was it ever designed too???). All they have done is slow/stop it and frustrate the hell out of everyone.

In one fell swoop (and unknown additional $$millions) Main Roads have added up to 5 minutes to a trip along Maroochydore Road. Well done ... not.
on 9 October, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Stupid habit started in Northern Ireland , Belfast 1983 ,''Westlink'' because the Government did not want to pay for a viaduct / flyover . Where Governments ignore engineer's advice on such matters , traffic chaos ensues .
on 9 October, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
How long did it take them , and how many seeming revisions , to get to this!!!
Make a good big roundabout (as it is) with nice merging lanes. How hard is that?
Lights are what you use if you decided that you didn't want a roundabout - hello! Is anybody home?
on 9 October, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
It's a ridiculous experiment, which is apparently based on the nightmare roundabout at the Brisbane Airport. For anyone not having had the "pleasure" of attempting to travel from the airport to the highway, let me enlighten you: the other day, it took us 45 minutes to travel from International to the highway; and this was at 3pm, not rush hour or anything. This is solely due to the ridiculous idea of putting traffic lights on the roundabout, which backs traffic up for hours; the traffic on Airport Road never used to be so bad, even at worst, you would only have to wait, maybe 15 minutes. Brisbane residents are almost unanimous in their condemnation of this silly idea, and it seems pretty likely that these traffic lights will shortly be removed. Given the failure of that experiment in Brisbane (it probably worked well on the computer model, LOL), why have they foisted the same rubbish on the Sunshine Coast? And I agree with Eugene...what about OUR public transport???
on 9 October, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This was always going to be a disaster. The problem (in my opinion) is that Queensland roundabouts are poorly designed to begin with, as they allow cars on the inside lane to exit.
What they've done here is to avoid the root cause of the issue (poor roundabout design) and instead put in another problem (excessive traffic lights).

The best solution I've seen is peak-hour traffic lights. These allow the roundabout design to be unmodified but bring the benefits of traffic lights only when needed.

This new layout does have left-slip lanes which would be good but they've gone and stuck traffic lights onto those aswell!

Traffic lights bring with them one fundamental problem -- they stop traffic. Stop/start traffic causes increased noise, pollution and reduced fuel economy.

My wife just phoned me to say that the lights had been turned on and how she'd sat at a red light whilst nobody drove past.
To echo CoastLover's comment, Main Roads have added 5 mins onto a trip into Maroochydore, and the frustration of sitting at yet another set of cruddy traffic lights.
on 9 October, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Don't even get me started on how stupid the whole idea is!
To make matters worse the morons doing the work can't even put up signs, etc when they close exit/entry lanes or other parts of the road surrounding the roundabout.
The other night I drove down the exit ramp towards the roundabout to discover that it was meant to be closed for resurfacing yet there was nothing to make that clear and I know other people were just as confused!
The whole this is a mess!
on 9 October, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
What can I say? Maybe the decades long stupidity of Qld governments continually reinventing the wheel, study overseas experiences to just throw these learnings out the window should STOP.

We can't even learn from our own mistakes - Bris Airport lights.

If we don't know how to design highflow roundabouts hire yankee or eurpoean engineers.
on 9 October, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Mr. Pitt seems to stumble from one disaster to another!
on 9 October, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
one way to solve the problem would be to limit the roundabout to buses, push bikes and trucks.

The cars seem to be the problem, so if you remove the car - then all is fixed.
on 9 October, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I like to laugh at the attempted justification by the egg-heads who approved and designed it.
on 9 October, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I think the whole Maroochydore roundabout idea was stupid, what was wrong with it the way it was before, ive never had a problem with it, now if i have to go through that way i dread it, theres no markings on the road yet, its hard to see the lines on the road and which lane you should be in it, i think the whole roundabout is just a joke. More wasted tax payers money.
on 9 October, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Another cheap alternative and lack of over the horizon vision by Queensland’s socialist government.
on 9 October, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Obviously those who say that traffic lights at round abouts have not driven in Great Britain. We had the pleasure of spending 3 months there earlier this year and the major ring road around London, the M25, has round abouts and traffic lights at most of the interchanges with other major highways. I found that it works fine and we never had a problem. Australia has a lot to learn from some of these overseascountries, and they have a lot to learn from our rules also.
on 9 October, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
I agree with Vanga. Cars just hold all the traffic up. They should be banned and then the lights at the roundabout would not be a problem.
on 9 October, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Improve safety?? I've been driving around the dogs breakfast of a roundabout for six months and have yet to see an accident. If drivers can manage to avoid each other during the building stage (as barbie 2311 says - without road markings and lines) why put traffic lights there now? If it ain't broke....
on 9 October, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
This statement from Main Roads is absolute nonsense. Designing a brand new signalised roundabout is complete incompetence and the height of inefficiency and I suspect that this intersection is going to be a big thorn in the side of the Department of Main Roads for many months. I would like to make 3 points:
1 A roundabout intersection with a motorway requires two bridges and is therefore very expensive to construct. They would have achieved a much better outcome by removing the roundabout and providing a standard grade separated set of traffic lights as exists at many other intersections with motorways and it would have only required a single bridge. Much cheaper and far more efficient.
2 They claim that a signalised roundabout is a safer environment for all road users. Well a quick search on Google suggests that roundabouts are far safer than traffic lights for motorists but are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists. Couldn't decide what to do - let's make it equally dangerous for all road users.
3 Every other State in Australia and throughout the western world are using Smart traffic lights that detect the volume of vehicles arriving at the lights and alter the green times automatically to minimise the delay to vehicles. There is no need to fine tune or synchronise the traffic lights manually as the microprocessor controls and synchronises the lights automatically based on the varying demands of the vehicles on the road. But they don't do things that way at the Department of Main Roads, let's keep it under manual control. It's 1970's technology at its best and I suspect a political decision by the "passed their used by date" State Labor Government.
on 9 October, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
What a joke I went on it for the first time today and it was so messy , cars stuckhalf way trying to get
through before it changes to orange on one section
signs going here there and everywhere it was far better before do they think these people Obviously not
on 9 October, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Just seems to me-they should have wiped the rounabout altogether,and used flyovers with on off ramps. I.n the end it couldn't have cost that much more
on 9 October, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
Couldn't agree more with the majority of posters...
Backward thinking, frustrating and stupid but then what did we expect after they 'fixed up' Wises Rd.
on 10 October, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
I cant believe people are more concerned about getting somewhere 5 minutes quicker than saftey.
Shore they probaly should have just taken the round about out all togeather, but anyone that drove around it back before they started working on it, could you honestly tell me that it was safer than.(remember the 4 or 5 tow trucks that used to wait on the middle of the accident for garenteed business.)
on 10 October, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
That round about if we can even call it that is the most confusing thing i have driven on. It takes on a sqaure shape now so the terminology round about i feel has been forfitted here and we should probably be expecting even more towtrucks looming around waiing for a car accident.
on 10 October, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
coastres, the reason 4 or 5 tow trucks (illegally) waited around that intersection is not becasue it was particularly prone to accidents but because from there, they could quickly access most other areas of the coast, ie get onto and off the David Low Way super quickly.

In all the time I've lived here, I have never seen or heard of an accident at the old round-a-bout. I am sure they happened just as they happen anywhere else but I do not currently believe that the accident statistics for the old round-a-bout are better or worse than anywhere else.

Why didn't they just make it into a straight through underpass with the feeder lanes that had appropriate merging lanes .... no need for lights or round-a-bout then? Surely that would have been a more efficient, simpler and cost effective solution?
on 10 October, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Why not start the trend in Australia of flashing amber lights in off-peak times so people don't have to stop and wait when there are very few vehicles around?

It's a great idea that other cities around the world do.

Alternatively, you could place a "left turn permitted after stopping" sign, as they have at intersections in the Northern Territory... if you've stopped and checked there are no cars, you're permitted to cross through.
on 10 October, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
Really that surprises me that you havnt seen any accidents there, I personaly have seen many, sometimes I have travelled through there with a accident everyday that I was on it. And i have been involved in several minor accidents on there where idiots have tried to change lanes half way through the roundabout.
But the fact is people dont know how to drive around roundabouts so if putting lights at them makes people angry they should probly learn how to drive around them correctly and then they wouldnt have to worry.
on 10 October, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
sorry I didnt mention that I would have been happy with your idea of not having lights or a roundabout.
on 10 October, 2008 at 5:21 p.m. ( Suggest removal )
are they on crack? Only explanation I can fathom for this! I am a cyclist and even I can see this won't work!
on 11 October, 2008 at 1:43 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
the UK has stacks of round abouts designed exactly like this one, the first time i drove on one i thought it was the dumbest idea ever, but once you get used to it it is much easier than negotating a large round about with a variety of on and off ramps.
I drove on the new one this morning and despite it taking a bit of time to get through each set of lights, it certainly wasnt a case of taking your life into your hands when you enter the round about.
Sure, its not ideal, but with the copious amount of traffic on Coast roads, we need to have some way to manage the flow. People just cant cope with change.
on 11 October, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
In response to boyfromoz - you're assuming that Queensland Department of Main Roads are using the same advanced traffic light technology as the UK. Well they're not. The UK has the most advanced traffic light technology in the world with upstream vehicle detectors that determine well in advance how much traffic will arrive at the downstream set of lights and constantly make minor changes to the lights to cater for the constantly changing vehicle demand. This minimises delays to vehicles. The Department of Main Roads have invested many millions of dollars in developing their own system of fixed time signals that at best averages delays but cannot possibly cope with constantly changing vehicle demands. This is old technology. Every other State apart from Queensland uses the more advanced traffic light system similar to the UK. My guess is that the State Government are not willing to adopt the new technology because there will likely be a community backlash against them for wasting many millions of dollars of taxpayers money if they abandon their current obsolete system.
on 12 October, 2008 at 12:42 a.m. ( Suggest removal )
The Minister said a complete redesign was needed. Why didn't it happen?

From the Government that couldn't organise a party in a brewery........(or words to that effect).

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